Ed Mahmoud
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« on: June 30, 2009, 12:22:32 PM » |
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The Michelle Obama drinking thread got me thinking.
One way to get past the 22nd Amendment, especially since MO and BHO seem so closely attuned, politically, is run MO for 8 more years, giving us 16 years of an Obama presidency.
I don't see the super majority of states needed before 2016 that would be needed to ratify an amendment over turning the 22nd.
One possible strategy, if Obama replaces at least one originalist on SCOTUS, giving the court at least a 5-4 Marxist majority, is Obama runs for the nomination in 2016, a compliant Democratic Party gives it to him, then somebody takes the case to the SCOTUS, which pulls something out of its collective anus and somehow finds a particular Constitutional amendment to be unconstitutional.
Or, maybe, just a national state of emergency, upheld by SCOTUS, before 2016, that indefinitely suspends elections altogether.
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2009, 12:26:10 PM » |
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Rush was just talking about this. All it has to do is pass the Senate.
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Al the Grouch
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2009, 12:28:10 PM » |
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Scary thought, Ed.....and something I really feared the Clintons would try and pull off.
Hopefully 2010 will make Zero's admin. a lame dead duck.
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2009, 12:30:04 PM » |
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Note to self: Must buy more ammo.
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2009, 12:31:06 PM » |
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"finds a particular Constitutional amendment to be unconstitutional."
you folks diminish yerselves when you posit stuff like this ...
/jmao of course ...
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Ed Mahmoud
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2009, 12:32:34 PM » |
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The California Supreme Court apparently gets to decide the constitutionality of voter approved Constitutional Amendments...
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2009, 12:33:27 PM » |
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of which even they said "well, there it is, it stays" ...
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Ed Mahmoud
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2009, 12:41:06 PM » |
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I certainly hope the GOP gains at least one house of Congress in 2010. Sadly, that isn't likely to be the Senate, as the number of announced retirees makes that an uphill climb. The 2010 Census will be used to apportion House seats beginning with the 2013 term. IE, the 2012 elections. ACORN is receiving billions to help run it, Rahm Emmanuel is supervising. Texas should receive 4 additionals seats and 4 Electoral College voters, New York and Massachusetts should lose, California might lose. From Wiki Gain more
than one Gain one Lose one Lose more
than one
Texas +4
Arizona +2
Florida +2 Georgia +1
Nevada +1 South Carolina +1
Utah +1 Illinois -1
Iowa -1
Louisiana -1
Massachusetts -1
Michigan -1 Minnesota -1
Missouri -1
New Jersey -1
New York -1
Pennsylvania -1 Ohio -2
Other possible changes include California losing a seat, and North Carolina gaining one.[12] In addition, Florida may gain only one seat, rather than two, and Oregon may gain a seat.[12]
Look for ACORN to find millions of Imagino-Americans in New York and Massachusetts and New Jersey, and undercount in Texas and the South. Illegal alien amnesty might also come by then. Shouldn't effect California and New Mexico, but might put Texas into play and tip Arizona solidly Demonrat. If same day voting/registration can get passed nationwide, well, that will help Obama immensely as well. |
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2009, 12:43:11 PM » |
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The 22nd Amendment? Just part of the social injustice inherent in the Consitution. The Community Organizer-in-Chief will see to it that that rule doesn't apply to him, either. At least that's what the Harvard lawyer who gave up his law license thinks.
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Ed Mahmoud
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2009, 12:43:53 PM » |
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Buck, are you that dense, really?
The California Supremes, whether they upheld it or not, decided they had the right to rule on the constitutionality of a constitutional amendment.
You really expect, if there is a, say, 5-4, or better yet, a 6-3 Marxist majority, and Obama appointed 3 of them, they won't decide whatever they feel like deciding?
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2009, 12:46:40 PM » |
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Al the Grouch
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2009, 12:50:14 PM » |
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2009, 12:55:40 PM » |
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Buck, are you that dense, really?
The California Supremes, whether they upheld it or not, decided they had the right to rule on the constitutionality of a constitutional amendment.
You really expect, if there is a, say, 5-4, or better yet, a 6-3 Marxist majority, and Obama appointed 3 of them, they won't decide whatever they feel like deciding?
Not really, Ed. The question before the CA Supreme Court was whether that referendum amendment should have been the other kind of amendment that exists under CA law. Since there are two types of amendments, with two types of processes, of course the CA Supreme Court has tyo be able to rule between them. That's obviously not the case with the federal government. As to this... Rush was just talking about this. All it has to do is pass the Senate. All what has to do is pass the senate ? Even the simplest of laws has to pass both the house and the senate and be signed into law by the executive. The bar is vastly higher for a constitutional amendment. |
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Ed Mahmoud
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2009, 01:01:12 PM » |
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Dred Scott is sometimes used as the gold standard of bad SCOTUS cases.
But, as the Constitution was written then, allowing slavery, it really wasn't.
Griswold v Connecticut, while coming to a conclusion I can agree with, the right of married people to use contraception (I have religious issues with it, and some birth control methods are actually very early stage abortofascients, but I think married folks should be able to buy condoms if they don't want children, at least). But it was based on a presumed constitutional right to privacy. There may be elements of protection of privacy in bans on unreasonable search and seizures, or even the Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination. But there is no explicit right to privacy in the Constitution.
Roe expanded the concept found in Griswold, and is clearly badly decided based on the Constitution, and that it allows the murder of babies in ways that now extend beyond the concept of when fetal life is viable outside the womb.
Roe has started a precedent of courts finding the most tenuoous ties to the constitution to decide whatever a judge wants it to mean. Obama clearly prefers that, having stated he wants a judge who rules based on sympathy rather than law.
Of course an Obama majority court can rule in any manner they feel. And a Democrat majority, or even a large Democrat minority, ensures the only possible remedy, impeachment, is out of the question.
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2009, 01:02:13 PM » |
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How does Obama get past the 22nd Amendment in 2016? Answer: Toes up in clover......? /....the question pessimistically assumes he's re-elected. |
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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2009, 01:02:25 PM » |
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I assume pass the Senate means SCOTUS appointees.
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Ed Mahmoud
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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2009, 01:11:34 PM » |
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Anyway, I think it is an awfully generous assumption to think that Barack Obama feels compelled to follow the US Constitution, especially if and when he gains control of the SCOTUS.
If the Liar in Chief does win election again in 2012, I don't see how at least Kennedy or one of the four originalists doesn't become sick or die during an eight year period.
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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2009, 01:15:19 PM » |
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He's not required to follow the Constitution anyway. I he was, he wouldn't be in office now.
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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2009, 01:29:51 PM » |
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Anyway, I think it is an awfully generous assumption to think that Barack Obama feels compelled to follow the US Constitution, especially if and when he gains control of the SCOTUS.
If the Liar in Chief does win election again in 2012, I don't see how at least Kennedy or one of the four originalists doesn't become sick or die during an eight year period.
He openly expressed his contempt for the Constitution during the campaign and has been displaying that contempt/defiance of it ever since. In his own words, the constitution "gets in the way" of government. And the American people in general, are too stupid/un-educated to realize that's a good thing....not a bad thing as implied. |
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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2009, 01:35:43 PM » |
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From what power companies are estimating Cap & Trade will add to the average home owners utility bills they'll be lucky to keep anything between 2010-2012.
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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2009, 04:32:14 PM » |
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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2009, 04:36:02 PM » |
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as usual, rush articulates things much better than anyone with a r after their name so far ...
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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2009, 07:04:20 PM » |
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This country is going to be so far down the shitter by 2016, who knows what will happen. Though I do suspect many cold and hungry 'natives' are going to want his ass out.
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2009, 07:37:18 PM » |
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Maybe the new patriotic protesters will be much like the originals. They started
with rocks through precious glass window, accelerating to literally tearing opponents
homes down in a couple of hours. And that was just the start.
They were smart, they followed the money.
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Ed Mahmoud
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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2009, 08:13:27 PM » |
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Do we have lurkers from near the Southern Command? Or is it obvious to more people than just me that Obama may be planning to be Dear Leader for life... |
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